Men are the crime promblem. Period.
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If you are going to be raped, date raped, if your baby daughter is going to be raped, sexually molested, murdered, tortured, a victim at the hands of a serial killer...what gender is doing this to US? A male. If you are hesitant about letting your your six year old child visit a friend at his /her house next door, it's not because you are worried about the mom, but you are concerned that the father, brother, uncle is in the home, alone with your child and friend. Am I correct? Why is this? Why are we letting evil men dictate our safety? I'm tired of of it!!! I'm tired of the the sniper in the VA area making me scared to live, to have a life, to let my kids be kids. We have to stand united. What can we do to get these evil men away from us and our babies!!!???? I know women kill, rape, murder...but not to the overwhelming majority as men do. I'm tired of it. I want my world back.
Blah, Blah, Blah...I know, but I am pissed.
Sorry, problem was the word 
A very difficult thing to debate. I've gotta think about that for a while. Can't say you're wrong though.
I understand why you are angry and yes, it does seem that men commit the majority of the crimes, but I wouldn't write off the entire gender because of a few. I believe that more men are good than bad. It's just the bad ones you always hear about. Wouldn't it be nice if the news would report on some of the good things people do instead of only the bad? Unfortunately, it's hard to predict who is evil and who is not before a crime is committed. I also do not believe that we are letting evil men dictate our safety. Their control is short lived and they are caught as quickly as possible and stopped. Evil can't control your life unless you let it.
I can definately see your point, but there are some twisted women out there, especially mothers. I want to hurt these women that hurt and kill there children. My word, their own babies! I want to bring them to the point of death over and over in a horrible and different way and then finally kill them. A quick death is just too good for people like that.
This was just my initial reaction to your post, I will think some and actually (I hope) post something with substance.
Bumper sticker suggestion: Testosterone-Race for the Cure.
The horrible fate of biology. The same evolution that had men out charging mamoths with spears and liking it still has them agressive. Problem is that we don't get to chase mamoths with spears any more. The same way women are 'programmed' to be nurturers men are 'programmed' to be the agressive hunter killer guy.
You can take that tendency out of men pretty easy by taking their two little friends away, but we don't seem to think that's an acceptable solution.
Agression in males isn't just a human thing, it's all primates, dogs, cats, most all mamals, lots of reptiles, some fish, and the list goes on and on.
Seth, I am the original poster. I am not going to apologize for my words. I had to vent. It was through the trying times of the VA sniper.
I love men. I had a father, I have a brother, I married a man and I GREW a boy. Men have also been the backbone to civilization, medicines, technology, etc.
Men have such awesome potential. It's a shame some can not live and lead decent lives.
It's a shame when anyone chooses the wrong path, but remember we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in high places. Satan roams to and fro seeking who he may devour. Instead of thinking of ways to be apart of that viloence by seeking revenge, we would see better results by spending our time praying for God's intervention.
Annie2, it's cool. I wasn't giving an excuse for anybody. Just the reason that you see more men commiting these crimes than women. Everybody has the ability to overcome any criminal tendencys and do the right thing. We can ALL be stronger than any biology. Unfortunatley people aren't sometimes.
Familyman, I was just going to post the same thing. Aggression is a built-in natural instinct in the male gender of all species because of what they were required to do eons ago to survive and to protect and provide for their family. I think every male has it. It's just that some haven't learned when to use it and when not to.
On the opposite side of the coin, it might be interesting to discuss what negative biological tendencies females have that some of us are still not able to overcome.
I don't think we have any truly dangerous tendencies, but we do have some natural tendencies that work against us in certain situations. One of them I believe would be "acting on emotion", rather than logic. When females assume a position of power, I believe they have to fight hard to overcome this instinct in order to make wise decisions.
Can anyone think of another one?
the "she bear" instinct.....when a mom senses her cubs are in danger she defends....a lot of times women escalate what they see as danger and funnel that into obsession....we obsess over wether our kids are too hot, no too cold, safe at home, no safer at school, the right car seat, the right baby food, the right school.....Now I am not talking run of the mill caring I am talking about the ones who OVER protect. I have a friend that will not trust her own instinct so she is raising her son BY THE BOOK.....heck with six kids I learned a long time ago to throw out the book and let my instincts work so far I am doing pretty good.
There have been several news stories about mothers seeing cancer in their children when none exists. There is a name for it but it is ascaping me right now!
A fear of being left alone. Women seem to have this WAY worse than men and stay in really bad situations because they don't want to be alone. Situations men would walk away from in a heartbeat. Still blows my mind every time I hear about a woman who FINALLY goes to the police because she's been beaten up for the past several years but she didn't leave because she really loved him. Insane.
If testorone was the problem, then are hairy-faced women more prone to being violent?
No, I think it is a control issue. Women have this licked by controlling our kids, home, etc... We are just plain too busy.
Men, have much more free time on their hands. They use there control issues diffrently. They try to control politics, work, women, etc... They are used to telling women something, and us cowtailing to whatever they say. Sometimes, if they feel out of control, they act on violence to try to grasp some sort of control over something.
Of course, if we let ourselves be controlled on the important issues which involve our future, then we deserve what we get. If we cannot formulate our own opinions regarding politics, religion, etc... And are too lazy, scared whatever to question politics, religion, our rights, etc... If we keep allowing ourselves to rely on what our husbands, bosses, politicians, priest etc... dictate what we should believe, then we, women, will always be second-class citizens.
Always, always, question authority. Just because the majority says something should be so, don't take the easy way, and truly think about the issue, and formulate your own opinion. Great men have done this, and changed the world. Great women can do the same. If only we had more hours in the day ;->
Do you think that if men had more to control that they wouldn't rape women? That people who are bosses at work, run businesses, are officers in the military satisfy their 'control urges' and that's why they are good people? And conversely it's just those guys that sit around that cause crime?
I'm a stay at home dad, I raise my duaghter and run my house. It doesn't satisfy any controll urges any more that working 80 hours a week managing a huge project at work worth millions of dollars. It has NOTHING to do with what's in the rest of men's lives just as running a household has NOTHING to do with whether you're going to be a criminal or not. Baisc biology and testosterone has more to do with it than you can imagine. Staying at home every day and taking care of my daughter does nothing to emascualte me. It doensn't change any of the urges I have to to work on the yard and race cars and go hunting. Being busy doesn't now nor has it ever changed any of that. You may feel that you are too busy in your life to be involved with things in the outside world, but as a man who does the same job you do I have to tell you that NOTHING has chnaged as far as my male desires. Not a single thing. So before you blame men's violent behavior on their 'free time' and women's 'passive' place in society on how busy they are with thier families you should look at the reality of biology and basic human nature as well as people that live differently than you.
I'm sorry if I came off as angry here but I am. This job that you do, I do as well, and I do a damn fine job. I'm able to do it full time and keep active in my hobbies and keep in touch with the real world and the politcal and social climate in my community and the world at large. It's not as hard or as overwelming as most women make it out to be. In fact, many many men could do the job much better than a lot of women I know the same as some women are much better at runing corporations than many men. Women need to get rid of the 'glass floor' as I call it and let men into their world as equals the same way that men have been letting women break through the 'glass ceiling' for the last 20 or 30 years. Only then when a couple can honestly and freely sit down and decide which parent would be better staying at home without the fear of being ridiculed by society, both the men who would think them less a man and the women who see stay at home dad's as invading thier sacred turf, can we be equal. It's attitudes like yours that keep women where they are in society and men where they are.
Viva la différence. Each individual has his or her strengths, weaknesses, passions and desires. There are violent women and gentle caring men. Society and not our glands has dictated our rolls. Not every father would relish or excel as a househusband. Nor does every woman desire to remain at home. We need to find what rolls fulfill us. Deviant behavior doesn't spring from our gender. It isn't the nature of a mentally healthy man to prey on the helpless, any more than it's the nature of a mentally healthy female to be a victim. There is scum in the ranks of both the male and female members of this society. They are the exception and not the rule.
There are more woman in the world but more male criminals. Biology and their chemistry does play a huge role.
I also think lack of positive male role models can be a huge detriment in the way a male human learns to react to different stimuli and situations. Man can be compared to pack animals. They follow the strongest male lead. If all they see is bad behavior, aggression, disrespect for females, little respect for human life; on the average, that's what they will contribute to society. Of course there are the ones who overcome their bleak beginnings, and become positive members of society.
Just a few statistics to mull over while we all think about this:
1) Child Abuse:
Approximately 903,000 children were victims of abuse and neglect during 2001. Official, child abuse perpetrator statistics in 2001 show that approximately 60 percent of the perpetrators were women and 40 percent were men. (see http://nccanch.acf.hhs.gov/topics/overview/facts.cfm)
Of course, these are only the official statistics. Presumably the actual numbers of child abusers is larger, but how the gender-mix of abusers would change if we could identify all of them is unclear. I am not familiar with the epidemiological studies that try to estimate this.
2) Domestic Partner Abuse:
Here the statistics are puzzling (at least to me) because the epidemiological studies strongly contradict official crime statistics. This, like above, stems (at least in part) by the under-reporting of these crimes by the victims.
The official crime statistics show that: The number violent crimes by intimate partners against women experienced about 588,490 such crimes in 2001. In 2001 the number of violent crimes against men by an intimate parner was
reposrt to be an estimated 103,220 victimizations. (see http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/abstract/ipv01.htm) Assuming that heterosexual parnters dominate, this leads to the conclusion that male assaults on females outnumber the inverse by about 6 to 1.
The epidemiologic studies, however, are designed to address under-reporting (victims that don't report the crime, I don't know how the researchers do this). The American Medical Association examined the U.S. epidemiological data on this subject and reported that: The result of the re-analysis is that the overall rate of violence by wives was 124 per 1000 compared to 122 per 1000 for men. The rate of minor violence by wives was 78 per 1000, compared to 72 per 1000 for men. Finally, the rate of severe violence by wives was 46 per 1000, compared to 50 per 1000 by husbands. None of the differences was statistically significant. (see http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/article/2036-2559.html). This suggests that domestic assault is practiced (rougly) equally by the two genders.
Of course, one could add to the above statistics, but I have rum out of steam (for the moment). At any rate, I think that one can look at the above and form at least three natural conclusions:
1) Any attempt to label one gender as "bad" and the other as "good" is motivated more by personal prejudices than by impersonal facts.
2) The sheer magnitude of domestic violence, including child abuse, is depressing and a daunting challenge.
3) In a nation of 300 million people (the U.S.), the above numbers suggest that well over 90% of women and 90% of men do not abuse anyone. Perhaps we should (at least occasionally) celebrate that.
Best regards----Doug
Doug, I choose to celebrate your point #3. 90% is a nice high rate. I'm surprised it is that high.
Very interesting statistics, Doug. I'm surprised by them. 90% is high, which is good.
Again, I am very late on joining this and I am not sure if anyone is still reading this but yes it is true that 90% of the prisoners are male BUT WHY?
Could it be the use of any one or several of the 12 female only excuses for getting away with crime including murder?
Could it be that women are often given a much lower sentence for the same crime as men? This would throw the stats off a lot and I have a page on the Shattered Men website which shows this. If a man is given a 14 year sentence for a crime while a woman is given 7 years, the same number of men and women can do the same crime yet after a few decades, it will look like twice as man men do it as there would be twice as many men in prison for it.
Another factor, women are often used to testify against the men although they both are equally guilty of the crime. Often as a result, the woman is not charged while her testimony is used to send the men to prison for a long time. Case in point, the PTL club where Tammy Fay Baker was not charged while her husband went to prison for several years. Do you really belive that Tammy Faye was not guilty and as equally involved in this crime? Another case, a brother and sister when on a crime spree in Texas. The woman brought a gun and she shot a man to death during a robbery. She was used to testify against her brother who was later executed for this murder even though SHE brought the gun and SHE shot the man. She was given a shorter sentence for her testimony against her brother.
I could go on but I will check and if there are any questions, I will reply.
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