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(7/06/06 - KTRK/ASPEN, CO) - Ken Lay's family says the Enron founder will be cremated and buried in Colorado, and not in Houston, where he rose to the top of the business world, only to be eventually convicted of conspiracy and fraud.
The lead investigator in Aspen has told Eyewitness News some new details about Lay's death. Early Wednesday morning Lay was in bed. He woke up in pain. His wife Linda was the only person with him in their rental home. She called 911.
Lay was unconscious when paramedics arrived. They tried to revive him along the 10 mile ride from the ranch to Aspen Valley Hospital. He never regained consciousness. The medical examiner called it a heart attack.
Mesa County Coroner Rob Kurtzman said, "There was no evidence of foul play."
But that hasn't stopped the conspiracy theorists in the thin air of Aspen from spinning the death of a man about to go to prison.
"I thought he took some kind of medicine to make himself have a heart attack," admitted tourist Laura Spoovies.
"There's always some conspiracy thinking behind these things," admitted tourist Peter Eckert. "We even discussed it last night with friends."
Tourist Michael Slomak said, "You can be cynical about it all you want. I don't care whether it was the stress, really. He was not an American hero. He was a despicable individual."
There are others, though, who see Lay's death for what it likely was.
"I feel like the stress of it put him under," said tourist Darren Kozelsky.
Tourist Chris Leveritch agreed, "It was probably because of all the enormous stress that he must have been under."
There is, of course, the man leading the investigation into Lay's death, who has the most significant take of all.
Joe DiSalvo with the Pitkin County Sherrif's office said, "I think no matter what happens in a case like this, there's going to be a conspiracy theory out there. But I'm comfortable that there was no conspiracy and this was just a natural death that is unfortunate."
The lead investigator in the case says he has pretty much wrapped up the investigation into Lay's death. They are just awaiting the final toxicology results which could take three to four weeks.
(Copyright © 2006, KTRK-TV)
I can totally understand the stress of what he must have been going through but I admit I have some questions.
1) he was found guilty and awaiting his punishment, are they allowed to leave the state? If so what is to keep him from running???
2) Why would they have his CREMATION in Colorado when his family, co-workers (who WOULD go and show respects), life basically here in Houston? I do understand he vacationed there but hasn't in a few years if I read correctly so why the ties there?
3) and this came from 2 other articles, why the closed casket with only a picture for people at the memorial service? He had a heart attack, not a tragic accident where his body would be disfigured or not appear to be himself.
Just makes you wonder if we won't hear of his wife's "death" or "disappearence" before to long. OR if he's out sitting somewhere on an island drinking a drink with a little umbrella.
I know this would cost some serious $$ but I figure "most" people have a price and he had some money to "share".
This is all JMO...
Many people would rather be cremated without an open viewing. Both my parents, MIL and grandparents wished for this and they were never convicted of criminal acts.
If this man committed suicide, assisted suicide, who cares. His death will not bring anyone's money back. I hate to say it but it will save the taxpayers' a bundle.
Let the man Rest in Peace.
Well interestingly enough, it will actually end up costing the tax payers. So no trial, that saves money. But since he died pre appealate court, he is considered innocent. So any trial to get money from his estate will probably be a no go. So instead of him having to pay out several million, if not billion dollars, he just left his wife a rich man.
I wonder if he is on an island somewhere. Just way too convienient to be out of state, without his formal family doctor, without really anyone knowing who he was. He wasn't at one of their homes, but visiting friends.
I also was suprised that there was a cremation and not a body. Personally it is no suprise that people feel this way, yet no strategy to make sure it is real has been employed. The coronor had never met the man, but haven't heard of word of him confirming dna matches. Things like that.
Yes, due to a peculiarity of Texas law, since Lay died before he was sentenced, the whole thing - indictment, trial and verdict - can be wiped out. Which means that the feds cannot confiscate his assets as fruits of criminal action. But there are a multitude of civil suits out there and I suspect that by now the lawyers have all of his assets pretty much identified - and if not, they can probably get that information from the feds. How much of his estate is in his wife's name is a good question, but certainly anything that was in his name would be subject to the civil actions and I would hope the lawyers would ask the court to have all those assets put in escrow until the civil suits are settled. And you can be sure that Skilling and the other Enron defendants who testified against Lay, who have been tried and some already sentenced, will tell everything they know.
The only money that his widow would get without question would be from insurance, and I'm sure some of the lawyers will argue that the premiums were paid for by Enron money or stolen money so the proceeds should go to Enron's victims. Even property held in her name only or jointly will probably be subject to attack in these lawsuits, and it will cost a bundle for her to defend against those lawsuits.
Even money in "Swiss bank accounts" can be tracked sooner or later. There's a guy in Pennsylvania who has been in jail for more than 10 years because he owes mucho child support and alimony, plus court orders giving some of his assets to his wife. After they traced the money to offshore bank accounts in some small island countries where we don't have financial treaties, he refused to have the banks release the money, and he's been in jail for contempt of court ever since. I have no doubt that every Ken Lay dime will be found soooner or later -and tied up in court.
I'm not much into conspiracy theories. But, do you really think there is anywhere in the world someone like Ken Lay could go where he wouldn't be recognized sooner or later? Anywhere he'd like to be? A tropical island is nice, but if he were indeed a fugitive, he wouldn't be able to go anywhere where Americans or anyone else who reads newspapers or uses the internet might see him, which would eventually become a pretty boring life.
It's my understanding that Lay felt, and his family feels, that Houston "abandoned" him - that he brought a lot of growth and wealth to Houston but when he was accused, Houston turned its back on him (as it should have). Whatever - it's not my decision to make or question.
I don't trust the whole thing, I wouldn't be remotely surprised if he's off on some island. Way too convenient for him to die the way he did, IMO.
lol, you have to wonder crystal don't you.
I used to work for a CPA and saw way too much and knew way too much.
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