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Moms View Message Board: The Kitchen Table (Debating Board): Who will you vote for?
I'll do this anonymously (sp?) so we all have the pleasure of posting anonymous but i'm just curious as to who you will vote for following the Presidential Debate? You can discuss why etc.... but make sure you put who your voting for first.
Oooopppps... forgot to push anon. But I dont mind that you all know who I vote for because i'm proud of my choice but use anon as you'd like in here, I dont mind.
George W. Bush, but I think he lost the first debate.
I think for those undecided he may have lost the first debate but who knows whats to come. We all know hes not the greatest at speeches but I want someone to give action, not to give a good speech.
Bush!!!!!
Can't go anon on the kitchen table board.
Thats okay not going anon, I guess those who dont want to share dont have to.
That's 100% for Bush so faR!
I am still leaning towards Kerry, but haven't made a for sure decision. I think that Bush is a very nice person, & I loved the interview he & Mrs Bush did with Dr. Phil.
BUSH!
Kerry
I don't like either one of them and last nights debate didn't change my mind.
I can't wait to see the town hall debate. That will be interesting. You will get to see more of them. YOu can observe body language adn such. It is next Friday.
Bush!
Kerry!
Bush
I thought it was interesting that both of them thought that weapons of mass destruction in the hands of terrorists was the biggest threat and then at other times dem. (not sure if kerry has said so or not) say that there are none. And that Kerry thought it was wrong to go to war but he will "hunt down the terrorists and kill them". And then he want to have bilateral talks with N. Korea and then criticizes Bush because he thinks that he doesn't have enough international support. Those are some inconsistencies right that I noticed and I agree with Bush that you can't have a president that is like that. We do have international support and kerry is criticizing Bush for things that a year ago he agreed with and now he doesn't. Oh and he said the troops didn't have enough or the right equipment, but then he voted against funding to give them. Oh and he said that 200 billion was too much money and such, well we've only spent 100 billion of it. It is a lot of money, but there is no dollar amount to win this war. I think that we are safer and other countries will know we mean business and Bush is using diplomatic efforts to deal with the other countries that pose a threat and it seems to be going pretty good. Things take time and Kerry promises to do all these things in four years. I don't think so. Moving that quickly will leave a lot of things undone and it is not in our best interest or our futures to leave things half done.
Kerry
Kerry
Kerry
I pulled this from a different message board. When I read it I thought....I couldn't have said it better myself.****
KERRY!!!!
So far that's:
Kerry if Bush stays in the world will be in total lose.
Kerry! Last night's debate made me even more certain about my choice. Kerry's views reflect mine so much better than Bush's. I found Kerry to be very poised, confident, and "presidential."
Kerry
Andi,
10 Kerry
I would rather have a Confident even arrogant President rather than Bush who had to think way to hard about all his answers. He's the President of the United States for goodness sakes. You would think he would have been better prepared.
The little bit of it that I saw, he almost acted like he was nervous.
what was up with Kerry's lipstick? Did anyone else notice that?
This is interesting:
Andi...
BUSH
Bush
KERRY / EDWARDS without a doubt.
Bush
11 Kerry
Bush!
Bush
Kerry
If I were American I'd vote Kerry. Does that count?
Bush
Kerry here..........I'm not totally happy with him, but I'm less happy with Bush.
Bush 100%!!
14 Kerry
Bush
Bush (probably..lol)
grrrr! I just wanna live on another planet! I don't want to vote for either one of them but I Will be voting for BUSH!
The above clip is a well done anti war song with some great pictures. But it certainly doesn't change my mind on who i am going to vote for. Even Kerry said during the debate, although he voted for the war, he disagreed with the strategy, and now thinks we were wrong in going, BUT we are there and we have to stay to win. Bush outright asked him, what kind of message will you be sending to the troops and he said "now they have to be supported, we will send more money, more weapons, more bullet proof stuff." So I guess my point is, whether or not you agree with the war, we are there, we will be there and your vote will not change that, it will change our tactic, and the money spent (which will probably be more).
Bush isn't FOR war and death, Claire. He's for freedom and peace and unfortunately war is sometimes (ironically) the way to that.
ROFL Kate you just don't get it.
Bush!!
Looks like some s o b story that a protestor made up! Well boo freakin' hoo, if you're going to protest violently, deal with your actions. And as far as being "anti-american", they give theirselves the name, I never once heard of them being called anti-american, I just believe they dont support our troops, i.e., my DH! And i'm with Kate, Bush NEVER wanted a war but i'm proud of him for making a VERY HARD decision which included protecting the lifes of ungrateful people, such as you are acting. Has it ever occured to you the good to come out of the war. Its all being masked by the not so good but believe me, there IS positive to it. Saddam is in OUR hands, Iraqis are free (my DH can give you a whole speech on how grateful the Iraqis were of them so I dont want to hear the BS that the news shares), the country is slowly (and i'll agree, extremely slow) being put back together, we've captured 75% of the Al Quada leaders or followers that were a major threat to the US, and although we havnt caught Bin Laden, it doesnt look like he has many men left to protect him or to help him in another 9-11 like attack. And all that is thanks to Bush starting the war and people like my DH, Amys DH, Crystals ex-DH and other brave men doing such an excellent job overseas.
Thanks for the link, Claire.
Just for the record I have a nephew in Iraq and to tell you the truth Boxzgrl you seem to be following the party line rather closely - have you read any Internationl press or done any research of your own???
You think the press is always accurate? You know how the American press over exaggerates, lies and stretches the truth just to earn popularity. Do you not think the International press does the same thing? To me, my husbands PERSONAL been there done that, saw it with his own eyes story is more accurate than anything. The stories of every soldier I talk to from the Army, Marines, Navy and Air Force seems to have a more accurate truth than any press. And how would you expect me to have my own research that I would actually BELIEVE? The internet isn't that reliable, I actually trust it less than I do press releases. So, unless I go to Iraq myself, NO I don't have my OWN research. My DH is close enough. And every guy that has been to Iraq seems to have a story almost exact as my Dh's.. the only difference between their stories are the fact that they were in different parts of Iraq so some things that happened were different. Where as the press has a different story everyday, their stories change as much as Kerrys mind does.
This is getting a little nasty don't you think? Bush supporters are not going to change die hard Kerry supporters and vice-versa. I think we need to remember an open minded debate should respect everyones opinion. Even if it differs from your own.
I think that you need to read a variety of news sources and I think you need to educate YOURSELF before you cast YOUR vote.
I don't care who votes for who, thats what America is all about. I'm just sick of the war bashing, it's yesterdays news and needs to be let go of. I take it personally because it was MY DH out fighting for people who could give a rats butt about him protecting their lives. There, i'm done!
It's not yesterdays news, Melissa. It's in the headlines now, due to the election next month. It's a very important part at that.
OK Ladies, let's all play nice.
I just want to throw my two cents in.
Bush
I'm against the occupation of Iraq. We are no longer "at war". The end of combat was declared. We need to leave Iraq. I am not saying abandon these people, but we are still not preparing them to hold their own. As for the soldiers, I've met many soldiers who went over to Iraq, and did what they were asked, but don't support the decision. I've heard stories of Iraqis who hate us. My ex husband repeatedly told me "They don't want us here, they hate us." Some are grateful, and some aren't. However, has anyone noticed we are basing the majority of our presidential election on a foreign country?? Iraq is a big issue, but bigger issues in my book are the American issues. Schools, economy, outsourcing, health care. We need to take care of our own. We cannot help the world until we help ourselves.
Crystal...I totally agree with what you just posted!
Well said, Crystal.
I agree with what you just said Crystal...
Thank you, Crys! IMHO, there are issues here in our own country that are going to affect our children's lives more than the war in Iraq. Yes, I am against but I fully support our troops following the orders given to them. I just disagree with the orders given by the "head honchos" of our country. I find it very sad that so many people are voting for what they view as the lesser of two evils rather than have a candidate that they can really support and trust.
Another video clip....totally unrelated, but I love the song and thought some moms here might like it as well.
KERRY!
I'll vote for Bush (I think I already posted that once!)
Bush all the way.
Bush here.
Bush for me!
Undecided until recently. Kerry will get my vote.
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH.....and Melissa...you are right when you said that most military supports bush. My dh went and returned and would go back again if he was called to as would all the guys that went with him.
And i just want to add that the these opinions of what is going on over there are so far off because of the reporters over there are only catching what they want to show...they dont show any of the good things...who wants to see that? They only show the bad so we only see the bad unless you have been there. It isnt true that they all hate us or even that most do. We are doing alot of god over there....so many that wouldnt eat or get medical attention without us. And whether you agree with the war or not the fact is that it started and we are there and Bush needs to finish it..Kerry will pull us out and that would be sooo bad for us right now
Please Vote The Whos down in Whoville liked people a lot, But the Grinch in the White House most certainly did not. He didn't arrive there by the will of the Whos, But stole the election that he really did lose. Vowed to "rule from the middle," then installed his regime. (Did this really happen, or is it just a bad dream?) He didn't listen to voters, just his friends he was pleasin' Now, please don't ask why, who knows what's the reason. It could be his heart wasn't working just right. It could be, perhaps, that he wasn't too bright. But I think that the most likely reason of all, Is that both brain and heart were two sizes too small. In times of great turmoil, this was bad news, To have a government that ignores its Whos. But the Whos shrugged their shoulders, went on with their work, Their duties as citizens so casually did shirk. They shopped at the mall and watched their T.V. They drove a gas guzzling big S.U.V., Oblivious to what was going on in D.C., Ignoring the threats to democracy. They read the same papers that ran the same leads, Reporting what only served corporate needs. (For the policies affecting the lives of all nations Were made by the giant U.S. Corporations.) Big business grew fatter, fed by its own greed, And by people who shopped for the things they didn't need. But amidst all the apathy came signs of unrest, The Whos came to see we were fouling our nest. And the people who cared for the ideals of this nation Began to discuss and exchange information: The things they couldn't read, in the corporate-owned news, Of FTAA meetings and CIA coups, Of drilling for oil and restricting rights. They published some books, created Websites, Began to write letters, and use their e-mail (Though Homeland Security might send them to jail!) What began as a whisper soon grew to a roar, These things going on they could no longer ignore. They started to rise up and reach out to all Let their voices be heard, they rose to the call, To vote, to petition, to gather, dissent, To question the policies of the "President." As greed gained in power and power knew no shame The Whos came together, sang "Not in our name!" One by one from their sleep and their slumber they woke The old and the young, all kinds of folk, The black, brown and white, the gay, bi-and straight, All united to sing, "Feed our hope, not our hate! Stop stockpiling weapons and aiming for war! Stop feeding the rich, start feeding the poor! Stop storming the deserts to fuel SUV's! Stop telling us lies on the mainstream T.V.'s! Stop treating our children as a market to sack! Stop feeding them Barney, Barbie and Big Mac! Stop trying to addict them to lifelong consuming, In a time when severe global warming is looming! Stop sanctions that are killing the kids in Iraq! Start dealing with ours that are strung out on crack!" A mighty sound started to rise and to grow, "The old way of thinking simply must go! Enough of God versus Allah, Muslim vs. Jew With what lies ahead, it simply won't do. No American dream that cares only for wealth Ignoring the need for community health The rivers and forests are demanding their pay, If we're to survive, we must walk a new way. No more excessive and mindless consumption Let's sharpen our minds and garner our gumption. For the ideas are simple, but the practice is hard, And not to be won by a poem on a card. It needs the ideas and the acts of each Who, So let's get together and plan what to do!" And so they all gathered from all 'round the Earth And from it all came a miraculous birth. The hearts and the minds of the Whos they did grow, Three sizes to fit what they felt and they know. While the Grinches they shrank from their hate and their greed, Bearing the weight of their every foul deed. From that day onward the standard of wealth, Was whatever fed the Whos spiritual health. They gathered together to revel and feast, And thanked all who worked to conquer their beast. For although our story pits Grinches 'gainst Whos, The true battle lies in what we daily choose. For inside each Grinch is a tiny small Who, And inside each Who is a tiny Grinch too. One thrives on love and one thrives on greed. Who will win out? It depends who you feed! Annon
Bea's poem was interesting, I find it interesting that although it slams bush it also slams the media, which if you follow at all you know are never are on the same side (except fox).
I think the point of Bea's poem is more the ignorance and poor choices made by the American public. If all of us chose to raise our voices and look at the bad decisions that we, as a culture, are making, we could make the changes that would be affecting our lives, rather than be victims of the "Grinches" and Big Business.
I think it should be titled APATHY. I agree with you Cori.
Please, Bush did NOT steal the election. He did not LOSE the election. He won fairly and squarely. It's not his fault it was close, it's not his fault Florida had problems. The fact is he won and Gore lost. What would you have had him do?? Say even though he won, he was giving it up to Gore? He didn't invent the electoral college and he's not the first president to win the college and lose the popular vote. He won it and he's served the term he won. He's had it rough with the way the election went and so many people against him even though, let's say it again, HE WON, and then he gets slammed with 911, which no other president has had to deal with. He's done his best and if you don't like him, vote Kerry. But don't say he stole or lost the election.
I will say he stole it, because I believe he did. You are entitled to your opinion. I will not tell you what to believe or say. I would appreciate the same consideration.
Kate, no other president had to deal with 9/11, but there was Pearl Harbor. While not of the same magnitude, it was devestating. I voted in the infamous Palm Beach County election, I don't think Bush won, but because of the errors in counting he held the office. I'm voting against him again this year. BTW, I didn't vote for Gore either, I think he is a moron.
Stole it or not stole it - the Supreme Court ruled and that is the law of the land. Bush was, according to the Supreme Court, elected President. Personally, I don't want to second-guess the Court.
Even Gore said "this is MY president". It is a shame that the election went like it did, for all parties! The other thing that I find interesting is we had 8 years of democrats in office and aren't they who appoint the judges? I think I woudl have felt a lot different if the incumbent won by the same measures. Although I do know that judges aren't appointed regularly and maybe clinton didn't pick any. But again, whether or not Bush really had the vote count or not, he is president, and HE had nothing to do with that, He didn't make the people in florida have issues.
I'm voting Kerry.
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