The Real Hillary
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I am SO glad that Hillary lost the Iowa caucus. I'm not sure that she was prepared for that, or for Obama's popularity. I believe that you will see the REAL Hillary start to surface now, as the other caucuses take place, and she gets desperate. It is a well known fact that the Clintons are very ruthless and there are no holds barred when it comes to their desire to win. In my opinion, Hillary wants to be President just to be President; not for what she can do for our country. I really detest her and do not even like to see her on TV.
I am a Republican, with no apologies. It would take a really special person to get me to vote for a Democrat. The Republican platform more closely represents MY values and philosophy. I am SO praying that Mitt Romney will be our next President. I believe that he is the most intelligent and capable candidate, with strong values and morals. His Mormon religion should not be stumbling block. Senator Harry Reed is a Mormon and a Democrat and there has never been an issue made of that. Back in the 1970's when Morris Udall ran, he also was a Mormon, and no mention was made of that. Senator Orrin Hatch, who IS a Republican and a well respected senior senator, is also a Mormon.
Hillary had to become a resident of New York, the most liberal state in the union, to win a senatorial seat. She would not have made it anywhere else. Also, my sister lives in western NY state and she said that it was the people in eastern NY, particularly New York City, that put her in. That is why she pandered to the Jewish voters. She does not play well in the rest of the state, or in other parts of the US.
I have never liked Hillary and since this election started, all it did for me was reinforce that. I won't even go into everything, but I would take ANYONE running over her.
I think that it is easy to find negative things about someone, especially when you do not like them. I also think that for every negative point you make about one candidate you can find one about the person(s) running against them.
Sad that there is so much mudslinging that goes on during the elections. I would love to have an election year where it is simply based on "these are my views & why I think they are right" instead of "this is a portion that so & so said, taken totally out of context, vote for me because I haven't change my mind about that...yet"
I so agree Emily. I wish people would state what they are going to do and not just go on and on about what everyone else does that is wrong.....
Ditto to everything you said Holly!!
Ditto to you all! Especially Vicki's statement that you would take anyone running for president over her. AMEN!
Althought I am not a Hillary fan. I will admit that Mr Romney's morman status is a stumbling block for me.
In general the Mormans I know are very much elitest and separatist. How will this play into a presidents job? With the White House egg roll, Christmas tree, etc, does that just cease? Sure that doesn't affect our country, but I like that stuff. A Morman's goal is to be good enough in this life to ultimately get a world of their own (a concept in the levels of heaven, etc). So that helps the president, but the idea of wanting to take over the world is foriegn to me.
I just don't know, I don't know what is best for our country, what is best for my religion, what is best for the economy and what is best for the world.
I honestly feel like we don't have any great choices, in years past I certainly had a front runner but never felt like it was picking the best of the worst.
I have a HUGE problem with the fact that Romney is Mormon. No way that I could vote for him. And I don't necessarily care that the president is a Christian or not. Jimmy Carter is a Christian and a godly man, but he was a terrible president. Although he has been a great ex-president! 
I used to be Republican, but I have been reformed . I am neither Republican or Democrat. However, I am very conflicted because no one party represents my beliefs. For example, I am absolutely pro-life...even in the case of rape or if the mother's life is in danger. However, I believe in the sanctity of all human life so that affects not just abortion, but capital punishment, poverty initiatives, war, stem-cell research, etc. That's when it gets sticky for me. Republicans tend to be pro-life on abortion, but also pro-capital punishment. That doesn't sit well with me. Those two things are completely contradictory and capital punishment is not biblical, IMHO. Democrats tend to be focused more on revamping Medicaid, food stamps, and the welfare programs. Those things are very important to me as well. If we are pro-life and because of it single women and teenagers are choosing life and having babies then statistically we know that they will likely be on welfare. So how can we be pro-life, but not help educate, feed, and empower people caught in the cycle of poverty after the baby comes? We are biblically called to care for the alien and stranger too. How does immigration policy factor into that? Having known many illegal immigrants I know that a large number of them come seeking refugee status due to persecution in their own country.
Very complicated issues. That's why I don't know who I will vote for or even what party I will align with in this election.
Pam, you've written out the conflicts I've had with politics so succintly that all I have left to say is ditto Pam.
Pam, you have certainly laid out a real "pro life" agenda. I agree, it's not enough to care about the child being born, but also about the life the child and its mother live after the birth.
As for immigration, I am so on the fence I can't begin to articulate a position. One thing I do know from my reading - if we were able to get even half of the illegal immigrants out of the US, the cost of farm produce, housing construction, landscaping, and a bunch of other things would go up. Large numbers of immigrants work in food preparation ranging from restaurants to preparation of packaged chicken and other meats, office and store cleaning services, and I am sure that a significant number of them are here illegally. I read an article recently where the quota for guest workers has not been raised and companies in this area which employ guest workers - legal, with temporary visas, background checks, and with supervision of their housing, the amount and manner in which they are paid (not cash under the table), etc - are not going to be able to get the number of guest workers they got in previous years. Some of these business owners said in the article that they can't raise their prices because at least some of their competitors do employ "illegals", and many of these businesses are facing laying off their full-time workers or even going out of business. As for the visas for skilled workers - in the computer industry, for example - the quotas are filled within a few days of each annual application period and there are two year waits or longer before companies can hire non US people - and they have to certify that they have made a real search for people for those positions in the U.S. Somewhere along the way we are going to have to come to terms with the whole immigration issue.
And somewhere along the way we are going to have to figure out why U.S. companies are hiring non US people for such skilled jobs - why aren't our schools turning out the people for those jobs?
We have mormon neighbors that are very nice. They celebrate Christmas and Easter and everything just like we do. They don't stand out as being different to me at all. Now, we have Jewish neighbors on the next block over that are very strange. They don't do the holidays at all.
I like Hillary, and I would/will vote for her over John Mccain. There is something about him that I don't like. I do like Mitt Romney. I do not care for Obama.
Breann, Jews don't celebrate Christmas and Easter because those are Christian holidays. I suspect that your Jewish neighbors do, however, observe Passover, Hannukah, Yom Kippur, and other Jewish holidays. And I would suspect that they celebrate the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, and other national holidays.
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