Tom Cruise
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Tom Cruise
What an idiot. I'd like to invite him to come stay at our house for 24 hours and take my son of his meds. I'm so disappointed in him. All I can think of is "Walk a mile in another man's shoes...."
I'm with you! I've lost ALOT of respect for him (and there wasn't much to lose!) over the past couple of weeks. I saw him gushing on Letterman last night. "I've never felt this way.... It's the most amazing feeling... blah blah blah" HELLO! There is another woman out there who you were married & supposedly "loved" and is mothering your children! How disrespectful! Great your happy & in love... let's leave it at that shall we! Say you love her & quit gushing already! I just think that his passing public judgement on situations that he hasn't been in (whether he's done research or not) is unacceptable!
Off my soap box!
I just watched a snippet on ETV of his interview with Matt Lauer. He was a total jerk.
I hope Brooke Shields, her docs or anyone else with more knowledge of Rx drugs' benefits (which wouldn't take too much considering his information) will stand up against this lunatic and put him in his place.
Unfortunately some people will follow his
over-opinionated views and cause harm or delay/deny treatment.
Katie Holmes, shown off camera: on camera; looked like a smiling idiot.
I still believe their relationship is a publicity stunt and I hope it bites him where the sun doesn't shine. 
I agree, i watched the today show this morning and am just appauled. "if you would study you would know more".. Oh yeah well let's all belong to a religion that you can study unless you commit first. Geesh...he is so brainwashed it is sad!
Oh btw did you know the kids are adopted? I just found that out and was very suprised.
I watched the whole interview on MSNBC a little while ago.
He is the biggest jerk I have ever seen. He was laughing at Matt Lauer like he was so inadvised. I can't help feel the bottom is gonna fall out of his perfect world.
What on earth are you talking about? I have definitely missed all of this. The last I saw of him being a fool was on the Oprah show. I neither had or did not have respect for him. I only thought his smile was cute and he looked darn good walking down the airport hallway in Rainman....had to be an Armani (sp?) suit he was wearing!
I am at a lost too, but I wished I could catch some of this so I could get a clue
I am at a lost too, but I wished I could catch some of this so I could get a clue
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8344309
No idea how to link it. Sorry.
After reading this news thread and seeing Matt L's face on tv, I do say that Matt dropped the ball in this interview. He was either trying to appease a famous actor or didn't know crap about the topic.
I say mostly the former since he complimented Cruise later on in the interview.
Matt should have had all of his ducks in a row before speaking to a high profile celebrity, especially with all of the comments surrounding him lately. Maybe Matt stood mute to give Cruise his time on the platform. It wouldn't surprise me with today's liberal media.
I'm not a fan of NBC Today show either, BTW.
I find it scary that this man who is not a Pharmacist, Pscyhologist nor an MD (but because of his status can have more influence on some people than all three combined) can go on national television and tell people to disregard their doctor's advice because he's read a few papers. If nothing else it is irresponsible.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8344309
Sheesh. He's way off! I agree that the "engagement" is just a publicity stunt, also!
Something must be wrong at the msnbc site cause I keep getting a "would you like to debug" message and then the page goes all strange. Guess I'll have to try again at a later time.
I like Matt Lauer and the Today Show.
Tom Cruise looked like an arrogant jerk. JMHO.
Brooke Shields said it best when she said:
"Tom Cruise should stick to saving the world from aliens." (a reference to his new movie coming out)
I was referring to the Matt Lauer thing BTW. I'm trying to figure out how to email him or make a comment. I'm going to check the NBC website. I thought Matt Lauer was totally caught off guard.
For those who didn't see it, it will air on the Today show on Monday.
What a blow for the mental health field. ANd for families who deal with the stigmatism. I'm so disgusted by it.
I thought Matt Lauer handled himself and the interview very well.
LOL Livvy!!!!
What I see is a guy with a huge, over-inflated ego, who thinks he knows more about things than anyone else, who has become sexually attracted to this young, talented, sweet, INNOCENT (in many ways) thing, that he can mold into a female version of himself, whether it's for publicity or they really *do* marry.
Nicole, you are lucky to be rid of him!! I found myself grinding my teeth while listening to him. How self righteous can one man be?
True, maybe Matt was not fully prepared for this interview, but Tom was so insulting, and though I will agree that spiritual or emotional outlook can affect overall physical health, as Kellyj said, ...it is scary that this man who is not a Pharmacist, Pscyhologist nor an MD (but because of his status can have more influence on some people than all three combined) can go on national television and tell people to disregard their doctor's advice because he's read a few papers. If nothing else it is irresponsible.
And there IS such a thing as chemical imbalance. Tom's ego is out of control, he can't possibly know all things, and the sad thing is, he believes he does, or will....
*rolls eyes and sighs*
I'm sorry, but I think that anyone who would take mental health advice from an actor with nothing but a high school diploma is more stupid than Cruise. He's having a mid life crisis and should be on medication himself.
He's always taken himself (imho) a little too seriously, this is just way over the top.
Bea you are right!
**rolls eyes** I don't have anything to say about him that wouldn't get my post removed, I'm simply just that disgusted. Brooke Shields should totally kick his butt.
Bea,you crack me up!! But...very true
ROFL Crystal! Brooke Sheilds should kick his butt while she has PMS! 
I heard opinion (on CNN) that each and every time Cruise wants to plug a new movie he announces a major relationship. Sounds contrived to me. Nicole is lucky to be rid of him...Penolope too.
Another thing that Cruise does...which grinds my gears...is to leave public functions early with the excuse "I just wanna get back to my kids".
That's great if it's true but it sounds phoney and somehow empty when he says it.
I've never liked pretty men...they can be just so darn full of themselves!!
Sounds like another star that has been in the news, just one without as pretty a face. Am I wrong that you could have said that Jackson made these comments and you would have believed it? I think some stars get so full of themselves they believe they know everything, can do anything and should never be called on their actions and their words. What a egotistical nut job.
Not that I approve of his message, but at least he's not as wishy-washy as most politicians and other celebrities who want the "popular vote". He knows what he's saying is not popular, but at least he believes in it. He's definitely riding the fame-coaster though...should be interesting where it takes him.
I used to love Tom Cruise. He was my favorite actor. But know I am embarrassed to have ever been a fan. I can't imagine being Katie Holmes and watching him act so pompus... He is just so weird lately!
I believe he is a Scientologist - and they are all more than a bit strange AND thoroughly convinced that they and Scientology are absolutely right.
He is a Scientologist, and Holmes has "converted". Is a Scientologist the same as a Christian Scientist? I know CS don't believe in medications, but I wasn't sure.
Scientology is NOT like Christian Science. For one thing, Scientology does not believe in Jesus Christ.
Here are some links to sites which give a brief and, as far as I can tell, factual and unbiased overview of Scientology:
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/80/story_8057_1.html
http://www.cedarnet.org/jnation/book/bk19-16.html
According to a couple of articles about the interview, Cruise has been a Scientologist for some time and has reached a prominent position in their structure. A couple of years ago, after changing agents, he became fairly public about his beliefs:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/24/AR2005062401866.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-1669435,00.html
In my opinion, Scientology is just another whacko cult - one with a lot of members who are prominent people, especially in the entertainment world, and one with a lot of money and access to a lot of money.
I have read a number of articles, over time, of the Church of Scientology persecuting former members who publicly criticize Scientology, both in the courts and, allegedly, in other ways.
Scientology believes that psychiatry is "Nazi science" and is opposed to any use of psychiatry or psychiatric drugs. Scientologists say that if the person was in touch with his/her "real" self (perhaps through Scientology?), s/he would not need drugs. Cruise is quoted as calling Ritalin a "street drug".
In no way am I defending Cruise, but I do believe Ritalin IS now considered a street drug, due to the widespread abuse of it. (By abuse, I do not mean doctors and parents and teachers wanting the child on Ritalin just because they can't handle normal, active children. I mean people obtaining it illegally for the wrong purpose) No, it was never intended as recreational, but people who don't need it can get a high off of it and are using it for the wrong purposes now and trying to get hold of it.
I've never cared about this guy, but after reading all this I DO wish I'd seen his Oprah antics!
Kate I do agree that many psychotropic medications are over prescribed by doctors who have no business dabbling in mental health care. They prescribe antidepressants and anti anxiety medications like candy, and do few if any follow ups. Too many children are medicated to keep them from causing problems at school. Smaller class sizes and better teaching methods would be a better remedy. That being said, I still think that medication and therapy are life savers. I've witnessed in in my life, and in so many others. My personal belief is that psychotropic medication gives you a solid surface to work upon. Once the ground is steady beneath your feet, it's up to you to do the work it takes to live a better life.
Very well said Bea.
I don not know why Tom Cruise feels that he can push his beliefs on other people, but he is WAY off base.
It seems funny to watch him & how he acts like he is on some illegal drugs! High on life, I know that is what he claims, but I have never acted that foolish repeatedly because I was in love.
John Travolta is also a Scientologist...wow he acts so much better, if I were the church I would be embarrassed by Tom Cruise.
Cruise has been a Scientologist for a while. This new bizarre behavior is more recent.
While watching the interview, and his animosity about Ritalin (and the seemingly out of the blue bringing it up), I wondered if one of his children has not been diagnosed ADHD. He seemed very angry and defensive about it.
From what I've heard Tom Cruise say, he was diagnosed (I think with ADHD) when he was younger. The doctors wanted to medicate him but his mother wouldn't or didn't. I think that is why he feels the way he does. A psychiatrist on the Today show called him a SAE (self-appointed expert) and I tend to agree with her!
If I was Speilberg, or anyone else connected to his new movie coming out, I would want him to zip it!! He is making enemies out of potential movie-goers who believe in medicating for certain conditions!! I, for one, will not see the movie because of his recent rantings!!
I'm boycotting him as well!
Kate, i believe you can see Whacko Cruise on Oprah this Monday (or at least some time this week). Personally, don't waste an hour of your time on it. It is very annoying.
I agree with what Bea said earlier, he is having a midlife crisis and should probably be medicated himself!
If I were Katie Holmes, i would be embarassed. But to her she is dating/engaged to her childhood heart throb!
Yep ritalin is a street drug, as is zanex, codine and mirad of other common drugs. BUT just because drugs are abused doesn't mean that you shouldn't use them for the people and ailments they are prescribed for.
I don't think she will be engaged to him for too much longer. He is embarressing himself....
From what I caught this Am, I thought the Today Show did a good job balancing out his comments with psychiatrists on the show. I was very pleased to see that.
This is from Al Roker's blog......
ey gang, so did you see Matt's interview this morning with Tom Cruise? Okay, I congratulate people who are passionate about their beliefs, their faith and their love. What frightens me a little bit is when that passion tries to steam roll others. I don't want anyone coming after me for knocking Scientology — let's be up front about that. Someone's religion is their deal as long as you don't hurt me or my loved ones with your beliefs, I'm cool with yours.
But I think Tom oversteps the line when he starts taking on people who use certain drugs to deal with either depression, mental illness or other problems. Can there be abuses, troubles and misdiagnosis? You bet. But there is too much evidence that points to real help for certain people.
Is Brooke Shields better because certain drugs helped her post partum depression? You have to look to her and her family for that answer, but it is not Tom Cruise's place to take her to task for her choices. Did they hurt Tom? Did they somehow cause problems for him? Hey, I have relatives who were on Ritalin. A couple it helped, a few it didn't. You don't see me on some crusade, bashing people who did nothing to me.
Just as we should shut up about wondering if Tom's relationship with Katie Holmes is a publicity stunt, Tom oughta pipe down about people he doesn't know about situations he hasn't experienced. You're an actor, not a med student. But the best part about being American is that you can say whatever the heck you want in this country, as loopy and as goofy as it might sound.
So let the war of the words continue — that's what America is all about.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8293264/
June 27, 2005 | 9:31 a.m.
More on that interview with Tom Cruise (Al Roker)
NBC's Al Roker
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Hey folks, who knew that interview Matt had with Tom Cruise would be the thing everybody would be talking about. Everywhere you looked talk shows, newspaper articles, radio call-in shows were discussing Tom Cruise and his intensity, his fire, his attitude about the subject of psychiatry, and drugs and more. Many folks agreed with me that he went over the line, and was rude and at times a bit obnoxious in his zeal to make a point.
Matt got a great e-mail from a friend. Semi-quoting the interview, "Matt … Matt … Matt ... you're glib, but if you had researched psychiatry like I have, you would know ... I’M NUTS!" Saturday I was in the Bahamas to interview Johnny Depp about his new movie, "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" and even he wanted to talk about it after the movie. One thing I will say, Tom Cruise has done a lot about the discussion of anti-depressants, psychiatry and more by bringing it out in the open and getting people to really talk about it. So to that end, thanks Tom. It is an important topic, and one that needs to be talked about!
Click here to watch video of the counter debate over anti-depressants and psychiatry.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7680808/
After seeing Tom Cruise's interview with Matt Lauer I've been reading a bunch of stuff about scientology on the internet, and all I can say is Oh My Gosh. What a bunch of kooks. It turns out Tom was spouting the exact party line of scientology when he went on his rant. They are against psychiatry because they see it as competition. It turns out the whole ritalin hulabaloo a few years ago was actually started by scientologists. They are very sneaky people. This is what I read in an LA Times article:
"The Ritalin controversy seemed to emerge out of nowhere. It frightened parents, put doctors on the defensive and suddenly called into question the judgment of school administrators who authorize the drug's use to calm disruptive, hyperactive children.
The uproar over Ritalin was triggered almost single-handedly by the Scientology movement.
In its fight against Ritalin, Scientology was pursuing a broader agenda. For years, it has been attempting to discredit the psychiatric profession, which has long been critical of the self-help techniques developed by the late L. Ron Hubbard and practiced by the church."
Here's a link.
http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/la90/la90-6b.html
Another really facinating link is
www.xenu.net
It turns out scientologists believe in this alien called Xenu who came here 75 million years ago. Then he killed a bunch of people or something and these thetans (souls?) got loose. So scientologists try to clear themselves of thetans with this emeter, and I read that Tom Cruise is an OT IV which is an operating thetan level 4. I am not kidding.
There are a lot of really scary stories of scientologists going after any critics of scientology with lawsuits, phone tapping, false police reports, etc etc. L. Ron Hubbard said, "Always attack, never defend," and it seems that's what they do (including Tom Cruise). They sued Time Magazine for writing an article in the 1990's for .5 billion (Time won), and bankrupted other critics with lawsuits. I've been reading this stuff for several nights and it's absolutely riveting.
Wow, someone needs a visit to the looney bin, ya think? Welcome back to Earth, Tom!
Brooke Shields did a New York Times Op-Ed piece in response to TC.
Op-Ed Contributor
War of Words
By BROOKE SHIELDS
Published: July 1, 2005
London
I WAS hoping it wouldn't come to this, but after Tom Cruise's interview with Matt Lauer on the NBC show "Today" last week, I feel compelled to speak not just for myself but also for the hundreds of thousands of women who have suffered from postpartum depression. While Mr. Cruise says that Mr. Lauer and I do not "understand the history of psychiatry," I'm going to take a wild guess and say that Mr. Cruise has never suffered from postpartum depression.
Postpartum depression is caused by the hormonal shifts that occur after childbirth. During pregnancy, a woman's level of estrogen and progesterone greatly increases; then, in the first 24 hours after childbirth, the amount of these hormones rapidly drops to normal, nonpregnant levels. This change in hormone levels can lead to reactions that range from restlessness and irritability to feelings of sadness and hopelessness.
I never thought I would have postpartum depression. After two years of trying to conceive and several attempts at in vitro fertilization, I thought I would be overjoyed when my daughter, Rowan Francis, was born in the spring of 2003. But instead I felt completely overwhelmed. This baby was a stranger to me. I didn't know what to do with her. I didn't feel at all joyful. I attributed feelings of doom to simple fatigue and figured that they would eventually go away. But they didn't; in fact, they got worse.
I couldn't bear the sound of Rowan crying, and I dreaded the moments my husband would bring her to me. I wanted her to disappear. I wanted to disappear. At my lowest points, I thought of swallowing a bottle of pills or jumping out the window of my apartment.
I couldn't believe it when my doctor told me that I was suffering from postpartum depression and gave me a prescription for the antidepressant Paxil. I wasn't thrilled to be taking drugs. In fact, I prematurely stopped taking them and had a relapse that almost led me to drive my car into a wall with Rowan in the backseat. But the drugs, along with weekly therapy sessions, are what saved me - and my family.
Since writing about my experiences with the disease, I have been approached by many women who have told me their stories and thanked me for opening up about a topic that is often not discussed because of fear, shame or lack of support and information. Experts estimate that one in 10 women suffer, usually in silence, with this treatable disease. We are living in an era of so-called family values, yet because almost all of the postnatal focus is on the baby, mothers are overlooked and left behind to endure what can be very dark times.
And comments like those made by Tom Cruise are a disservice to mothers everywhere. To suggest that I was wrong to take drugs to deal with my depression, and that instead I should have taken vitamins and exercised shows an utter lack of understanding about postpartum depression and childbirth in general.
If any good can come of Mr. Cruise's ridiculous rant, let's hope that it gives much-needed attention to a serious disease. Perhaps now is the time to call on doctors, particularly obstetricians and pediatricians, to screen for postpartum depression. After all, during the first three months after childbirth, you see a pediatrician at least three times. While pediatricians are trained to take care of children, it would make sense for them to talk with new mothers, ask questions and inform them of the symptoms and treatment should they show signs of postpartum depression.
In a strange way, it was comforting to me when my obstetrician told me that my feelings of extreme despair and my suicidal thoughts were directly tied to a biochemical shift in my body. Once we admit that postpartum is a serious medical condition, then the treatment becomes more available and socially acceptable. With a doctor's care, I have since tapered off the medication, but without it, I wouldn't have become the loving parent I am today.
So, there you have it. It's not the history of psychiatry, but it is my history, personal and real.
Brooke Shields, the author of "Down Came the Rain: My Journey Through Postpartum Depression," is starring in the musical "Chicago" in London
I have never been a fan of tom Cruise. I agree with you all he needs to walk in the shoes of someone who is going through depression and those who need retalin. He is a total looney. I think he needs help
All I can say is, *if* he does indeed marry Katie Holmes, and *if* they manage to conceive and she gives birth to his child, he - AND SHE - had better hope she is fortunate enough to not have to experience post partum depression. Because *if* she does, she - and their child - could be in danger, and completely out of luck. He makes me sick.
I am amazed at Brooke Shields strength to come out in the open about this. I suffered from it as well but refused medications. It lasted about 4 months. I wish I would've known more about PPD and seeked the medications.
I am so glad that Brooke was able to formulate an intelligent, well-written letter to combat all the spouting off that Tom has done whenever he can get some airtime. She was articulate and non-confrontational. She was truly classy in her response to his outrageous claims and insinuations. I suffered from undiagnosed PPD for 9 months until a family member finally helped me see that motherhood shouldn't have felt the way it did. I took medication for 6 months and was able to look for the signs with my last two children and get help before it was unbearable. I am so pleased with the light Brooke has shone on this subject.
I'm not sure but I don't think Tom Cruise can father a child. I think I remember that he and his first wife, Mimi Rogers, couldn't conceive and Nicole and Tom's kids are both adopted.
Like I said, I'm not sure of this but I think I remember hearing about it somewhere!!
Tom Cruise Is Nuts
Pretty interesting and humorous website.
This is hilarious:
Jimmie Kimmel.
As is this:
freekatie.net.
Ditto Tink and Boxzgrl. I also suffered from PPD for 6 mths. and what should have been a wonderful time in my life was the most terrible. I never told my doctor or got medication and I absolutely should have but was embarrassed and felt 'crazy'. I applaud Brooke Shields for sharing her experiences in her celebrity position. Not only has Tom Cruise never experienced it, he's not even a woman!!! He has aboslutely NO CLUE what it's like to create, carry, or give birth to a child and everything that comes with it. He is absolutely ridiculous IMO....I used to like him, too. Hopefully this young thing will realize the error of her ways and get out while she can.
My next-door neighbor, where we used to live, suffered from PPD. She was frantic and paranoid and nothing like she used to be. Then she started on anti-depressants and the real Sue emerged again. It made a HUGE difference in her demeanor and how she felt about herself. She was miserable, before that! I don't think she could have gotten through it, without the meds.
Fixing Crystal's link
Tom Cruise Is Nuts
Oops!! Thanks Cori!
Don't mean to be mean, but IMO this is why Tom Cruise is the way he is because of all the talking about him and so on. The more attention he gets the better. And he loves it. That just my opinion, but I feel its the truth.
Kathy, I've had that thought too.... we - and countless others - in effect, generate more publicity for him by discussing him.....IMO, he is a one-man freak show......
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