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How do I do this right?

Moms View Message Board: Parenting Discussion: Archive January-June 2005: How do I do this right?
By Rayanne on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 03:22 pm:

We bought Rylee a potty. We got one that you place on top of the big potty. We place Rylee on the potty at least twice a day for about 5 minutes each. I am trying to teach her to go potty, but nothing has happened yet. Are there good tips to let her know what to do?
My goal is to have her trained by the age of 2. I know that I may be setting my standards high, but this is what we want. If she isn't potty trained by 2, it is ok. I just want her to be able to know where she is supposed to go.
I know that there are books out there, but I don't know which is good and which is not.

By Kaleighsmommy on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 03:44 pm:

This may sound weird, but let her watch you go potty. Kaleigh used to follow me in there every time I went. She then decided she wanted to do it. She just turned 2 in December, and she's pretty much potty trained. I still can't get her to go poo-poo in there though.

By Rayanne on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 03:45 pm:

She has watched me and her mouth drops and she gasps and smiles. She thinks it's the coolest thing to hear me pee.

By Boxzgrl on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 03:46 pm:

On Dr. Phil's site, he has some good tips regarding potty training and useful things to buy. I would introduce her to it but don't really enforce it until she shows signs on her own. Trying to teach them to go potty too early can actually set them back and make it more difficult for everyone. Good luck!

By Boxzgrl on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 03:49 pm:

Dr. Phil :)

By Rayanne on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 04:08 pm:

Thanks Melissa.

Even though she hasn't gone yet, we praise her by clapping and cheering for sitting on the big potty.

By Trina~moderator on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 04:17 pm:

If she's trained by 2, more power to you, but typically most kids aren't ready to begin training until at least 18 mos., most not until 2, and some older.

Toilet Training

By Kay on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 04:49 pm:

All three of my kids were around 3 before they really got trained, and I truly believe it's because that's when *they* decided it was time. My middle dd refused to go, even though she could stay dry all night - one day she just stated that she was ready for 'big girl panties' and she never had an accident.

My biggest mistake was working too hard to train my oldest ds - he's very headstrong, and so am I, so we made each other miserable over it. (I had listened too much to my mom's generation's 'they have to be potty-trained by 2')

My pediatrician told me "I don't have any patients who went to kindergarten in diapers." :)

By Reds9298 on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 05:07 pm:

I agree with Trina as far as the age goes. 2 is a pretty high standard, but kids CAN do it sometimes by that age. I don't think it's common though. I agree with everything pretty much...let her watch you, even hand you the tp, pump the soap for you when you wash your hands. Just watching the whole experience and being a part of it first, then sitting her on it sometimes. Just remember when she's ready she'll do it and until then just to be patient.:)

By My2cuties on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 05:59 pm:

Good luck, DD was potty trained a little after 2, even at night. You sound like your on the right track. :) Let her be your guide, Katelyn and Hailey both could not wait to potty and then it was over from there. (hailey is still working on it, nighttime is still hard for her right now). What really helped with Katelyn was putting a potty chair on the wall in front of our toilet (so we face each other while sitting on opposite toilets) and she peed every time I did. :)

By Emily7 on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 06:03 pm:

Good luck. Joe is almost 3 & I am still trying.

By Luvn29 on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 06:38 pm:

It can be done. Both of mine, boy and girl, were trained by two. My dd just decided to be a big girl when she was about 15 months old. She wanted to wear panties, so we put them on her, and she never wet them again. I used pull-ups at night for about two weeks, but realized she never wet those either, so I stopped doing that.

Why can't all babies be so easy, huh?

By Pamt on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 09:41 pm:

My goal is to have her trained by the age of 2. I know that I may be setting my standards high, but this is what we want.

I understand your desire and certainly understand why you want to have the hassle of diapers behind you, but on this you really must follow your DD's lead or the whole potty training thing can become a huge battle ground/power play. First of all, she may do better with a potty chair that she can get on and off of by herself. She can sit on it while watching TV, reading books, etc. full clothes just to get used to it. Then she can sit on it with her pants off after she'd had a drink and read and just see if something happens. Once it does she'll start to get the idea. the point it that it has to be an easy child led thing and made to be fun and not intimidating.

By Imamommyx4 on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 10:34 pm:

One of Dr. Phil's suggestions is to get one of those dolls that wet. Then we'd put the doll over the potty, giver her water, watch her tinkle, make a big deal over it, then put dd on potty and tell her to do what the doll did. It made her understand the process, but she didn't decide to abide by the process for another 8 months.

By Feona on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 08:24 am:

Girls train faster than boys, but I still think they decide when they want to train.

Also there is something called anal retentive. Guess how someone gets it?

By Kaye on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 09:09 am:

My dd was about 18 months when she trained. HOw old is rylie? Does she have any interest? Does she hate to be wet? Really she has to have some interest. This is how we did it. First we introduced a potty at a year. A little one that she could sit on. We started at bathtime, she sat and read books while the tub started, the sound of water sometimes had her go. Then we started asking her every time one of us went potty. She wanted panties and so we let her wear them, after two accidents a day, we would go back to diapers for the day. Honestly she had so much interest that she just kind of did it herself. I have had two others that were NOT so easy. But it can't hurt to try, she may take to it. Make sure that you give her plenty of fluids, the more chances she has to be successful, the more likely she will make it. The goal is to get her to pee on the potty and then praise the heck out of her! Also lots of potty talk, if she goes to squat somewhere to poop, don't just pull her to the potty, but start with "oh rylie needs to potty, can you feel that you need to go?" Then next time say "oh when you are bigger you will know that when you feel that, you can sit on a potty and not have to do that in your diaper". In general most children "feel" when they need to go, but they need taught to label that feeling, then how to react to that feeling. another readiness question is does she stay dry at night? Most children don't have the ability to train if they don't wake up dry. That is not always the case, but if she can hold it all night, then you know she will be able to hold it during the day, instead of those muslces involuntarily releasing.

By Bellajoe on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 09:47 am:

My dd was potty trained by around 2-2 1/2. This is what we did.

I would have her sit on the potty several times a day, maybe once every few hours. Especially after naps and meals. My dd loved stickers so when she peed or pooped she would get a sticker on her shirt and one on the chart that was hanging on the fridge. We also did a big "pee pee on the potty" song and dance everytime. She loves to sing and dance so that was perfect for her. Both my kids loved the book "Everyone Poops" by Toro Gomi (or something like that) they would sit there and look at all those drawings of animals pooping. And i think they got the idea from that book that the poop goes in the potty. It sounds like a gross book but i recommend it to everyone who is potty training.

Like Kaye said, she has to have some interest. Just start by having her sit on it and look at books. If she goes, she will probably be so proud of herself (if she knows what she is supposed to do in the potty) make a big deal out of it. If she sees how proud you are of her, she will want to do it again and again.
It is a tough thing to teach, but she will learn eventually :) Good luck!

By Trisa on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 10:08 am:

I also did the sticker chart
and it worked like a charm! She was trained by
age 2. My son however was VERY hard to train
and was not trained till he was 3 1/2!

By Rayanne on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 12:03 pm:

Also there is something called anal retentive. Guess how someone gets it?

What does that mean?

By Dawnk777 on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 01:33 pm:

Girls are easier to train?? Mine were easy to train because they were 3! LOL! I didn't push it and that's just when it happened.

By Tink on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 02:51 pm:

I think Feona meant that being too aggressive with potty training can cause anal retentiveness, being unable to poop.

My youngest's story is almost ditto Kaye's. Bella hated to be wet, would bring us diapers from her changing table or try to change herself from about a year on. She was also very finicky about her hands, face or clothes having anything on them. I don't know if most children train that young, though. My oldest trained in just a couple of day when she was two years and one month old.

I think introducing the potty to her at a young age is the best way to start the process. Stickers weren't rewarding for my kids but fruit snacks worked wonders. You may want to invest in a solid footstool so that there is some independance for Rylee. Bella didn't like a potty chair so we let her go straight to the toilet with the stepstool. Make sure it has rubber feet so that it won't slide out from under her! Bad experience! :) Don't stress over it, it'll happen as long as the opportunity is there for her!

By Renantex on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 05:31 pm:

In my opinion, no matter what you try, they will do it when they are ready. My dd was easy, but she just wasn't ready for it until she was three. There was no fuss about it though. She liked sitting on the potty. She would sit there for as long as I would let her, but she just wouldn't go. Then one morning I was going to change her pullup and it was dry, and she has never had an accident since then. That whole process took a couple of months. I thought that if I had started earlier with Shayla that we would have been out of diapers a long time ago. So, with my ds, I started at 2. Little did I know that boys and girls are so different! We struggled for so long with him. He wanted absolutely nothing to do with the potty. He would scream and run if I even suggested it. he would rather take his diaper off and go in the floor. I would watch for the signs, and when it was time, I would try to get him to go the potty. If he would actually go, he would sit there for a few minutes, walk out of the room and go in his pants. It was so frustrating!! But when he was about 3 & 1/2, he just started going. So, try all the tips and techniques, but remember that your child will do it when she is ready and not a minute earlier. It's good to have a goal, but don't be too set on it, because it will cause tension and good luck trying to convince her this is fun when you are frustrated.

By Imamommyx4 on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 10:20 pm:

I have a friend with 3 boys (2 are twins) and 1 daughter and she says she took 3 days to train her kids. She says she took 3 days off from work to be home with them when she decided to do this so she could clean behind them. She took off pants and underwear and let them run around home in t-shirts only. She would take them to the potty ever so often. They made messes the first day, second day they got the hang of it, third day was all potty. I don't know that I'd try it, but she swears by it. I found it amusing. And she says all 4 were trained before their second birthdays.

By Rayanne on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 10:27 am:

Thank you all so much for all of the wonderful advice. I am not pushing her in any way, shape, or form. I just usually put her on it if when I change her dipaer, she is dry, or before her bath. If she isn't potty trained by the age of 2, it is really ok. We will see what happens. I am letting her guide me, but I am also letting her know what to do too. :)

By Kaye on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 12:35 pm:

I also did t shirt only thing. What I found for me was when they are ready most kids train quick. With my second child a boy, we did 2 days of full force, he wasn't ready, you could tell. I waited a month and tried again and viola he was trained. My youngest child was a whole different beast. We had to make him train, it was not fun, it was not nice, but it NEEDED to be done. He was about 3, but hated being dirty or wet and would change his own diapers, he would go into the bathroom to do his business, then change his diaper, we tried pull ups, no change. Pee diapers this isn't a big deal, but after many many many poop issues, this WAS NOT working. It took about 2 weeks and a battle of wills, but he had some real sensory issues with the potty that we just had to work through. If you have sensory kids you know what I mean, sometimes you just have to make them. This isn't the case with most children though. I promise you will just know when it is right.

By Imamommyx4 on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 01:51 pm:

I just saw the cutest commercial...
Tinkle Time Kelly. It's a Barbie product. Kelly shows her baby how to potty, then Kelly goes potty herself. Too funny.

Also Charmin has a free potty training kit. I got it for Katy Beth. Has poster, stickers, book, toilet paper gauge, etc. It's cute. DD liked it. Not sure how much it helped, but it is free.
http://www.charmin.com/en_us/pages/offers.shtml

By Meltonmom on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 02:06 pm:

My Darlings were three when they were toilet trained. That said, we used "Once Upon A Potty" the book and the video.

They LOVED the video and they would sit on the potty in the living room and watch it (30 minutes) and that proved very successful.

Good Luck!

By Missmudd on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 03:32 pm:

For my oldest we were going nuts, he would stay dry as long as he didnt have anything on but as soon as a diaper went on for naps or bed he would pee. This got really old and since we knew he had the control we went camping out in the wilderness, put him in a t-shirt, slapped sunscreen on all his exposed parts and waited. He didnt pee for almost 12 hours, then piddled on his feet, was soooo embarrassed and was potty trained from that point forward. All four of my guys didnt train until at least 3, and one was almost 4 when I finally got through to him. None of them would have been even remotely interested or ready at 2.

By Boxzgrl on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 03:40 pm:

Thank You Debbie! I just ordered it!

And Good Luck Rayanne! Let us know how Rylee does. :)

By Renantex on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:15 pm:

Hey, I seen an Elmo toy that is for potty training. It has Elmo sitting on a toilet and he sings a potty song. It is really cute, my 11 month old was with me when I found it and she loved it, but she's still too young. I don't really know if this stuff works, but hey, worth a try.

By Tink on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 11:32 pm:

I got the Potty Elmo for my nephew. He just turned two and he loves it. It sits in the bathroom across from the toilet, right next to his potty chair. I don't know if it is helping but I know his parents aren't focusing on potty training right now. I saw the Kelly doll set and thought of Rylee. Best of luck, Rayanne. You are doing such a great job with Rylee that I'm sure you will do fine!

By Eve on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 07:31 am:

My DD wasn't trained totally until age 3 1/2. She peed for the first time on the potty at 18 months! So, I would just make the potty part of your routine, but follow her cues. When she is really ready, it will just happen. Good luck! :)

By Karen~moderator on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 09:26 am:

Mine started potty training sometime between 2 and 3. Jeff pretty much had it down just after his 3'rd b'day.

Jen was harder, which goes against the *girls are easier* thing. That's what *I* thought too! LOL At 3, she would pee in the potty, but pooping was an issue. And keeping her dry at night was the biggest problem. She was 4 before she stayed dry at night. I did the thing with the doll on the potty. Also limited liquids after dinner time. Finally ended up carrying her to the potty in her sleep before *I* went to bed at night. She wouldn't really wake up, but I'd hold her on the potty and she would eventually pee, and I'd put her back in bed. It worked for us.

The one thing I think you SHOULDN'T do is get angry and fuss at them for having accidents. That will cause them to stop trying or have more accidents.

It's true that they won't really potty train until THEY are ready, but anything you can do to encourage them is helpful. I agree with letting them be in the bathroom with you when you are going.

Jules had much the same problem Kay had - she was determined it was *time* for Mads to be potty trained, and Mads was just as hard-headed as Jules, so it turned into a battle of wills and a control thing. Once she relaxed with her, nature took it's course and Madison potty trained.

By Dana on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 09:30 am:

Word of caution on the clapping thing. I over did my happy reaction the first time DD tinkled in the potty and it scared her half to death and she wouldn't go back for a while. I guess I was more excited than I needed LOL!


I will post a link for the Charmin potty training club under a new heading incase there are others on the board who may be interested. You get a poster, stickers, a "how many squares of tissue" measurer, story book,and a diploma.

Here it is incase you don't see the new post.

http://charmin.com/en_us/pages/offers_pttraining.shtml


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